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		<title>By: The Top 10.2 Favourite Posts From 2009 &#124; SuperWAHM, Expert Business Planning for work at home moms</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Top 10.2 Favourite Posts From 2009 &#124; SuperWAHM, Expert Business Planning for work at home moms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://superwahm.com/permission-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-108</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 00:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jenn and Welcome!  :-)

I love your site, it truly is a Beautiful Calling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jenn and Welcome!  <img src='http://superwahm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I love your site, it truly is a Beautiful Calling!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn @ Beautiful Calling</title>
		<link>http://superwahm.com/permission-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn @ Beautiful Calling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 00:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m on the great cloth diaper hunt and took a little detour to read this post as I found it very interesting. I was pleasantly surprised to find the owl at the end.

Anyway, I don&#039;t operate a business at all but do have a blog. I wll keep the information in mind!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jenn @ Beautiful Calling’s last blog post..You Don’t Need All That! (Soapnut Giveaway)&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m on the great cloth diaper hunt and took a little detour to read this post as I found it very interesting. I was pleasantly surprised to find the owl at the end.</p>
<p>Anyway, I don&#8217;t operate a business at all but do have a blog. I wll keep the information in mind!</p>
<p><abbr><em>Jenn @ Beautiful Calling’s last blog post..You Don’t Need All That! (Soapnut Giveaway)</em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Janice - I hadn&#039;t realised the spam censor was on!  I&#039;ve turned it off so hopefully you won&#039;t lose any more wonderful comments.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Janice &#8211; I hadn&#8217;t realised the spam censor was on!  I&#8217;ve turned it off so hopefully you won&#8217;t lose any more wonderful comments.  <img src='http://superwahm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Barbara Ling, Virtual Coach</title>
		<link>http://superwahm.com/permission-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara Ling, Virtual Coach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another reason why for over 10 years I have never ever accepted any offer of a mailing list - unless you have gathered the names yourself via a double-optin list, it&#039;s just asking for soul-searing pain and agony.

Always respect the optouts and optins.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Barbara Ling, Virtual Coach’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.virtual-coach.com/offers-insights-on/101-ways-earn-money/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;20 Times 101 Ways To Earn Money Online!  Part 1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another reason why for over 10 years I have never ever accepted any offer of a mailing list &#8211; unless you have gathered the names yourself via a double-optin list, it&#8217;s just asking for soul-searing pain and agony.</p>
<p>Always respect the optouts and optins.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Barbara Ling, Virtual Coach’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.virtual-coach.com/offers-insights-on/101-ways-earn-money/" rel="nofollow">20 Times 101 Ways To Earn Money Online!  Part 1</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: janice</title>
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		<dc:creator>janice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your WP spam thing just told me off, gave me a message about java script and cookies, told me to go back and hit the refresh button and then lost my lovely, long (and not daft) comment. I can&#039;t risk rewriting a long one, Melinda so here&#039;s a summary. Great thought provoking dialogue! What I read from it was that we should respect the humanity of anyone we do business with. It&#039;s core to all business, which is, after all, simply connecting someone who wants/needs something to what it is they want/need. I&#039;m really sad. It was a grown up comment!

(This one seems to have got through - go figure! And thank you for enabling the comment editor. I appreciate it!)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;janice’s last blog post..How to Write like Adam Lambert&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your WP spam thing just told me off, gave me a message about java script and cookies, told me to go back and hit the refresh button and then lost my lovely, long (and not daft) comment. I can&#8217;t risk rewriting a long one, Melinda so here&#8217;s a summary. Great thought provoking dialogue! What I read from it was that we should respect the humanity of anyone we do business with. It&#8217;s core to all business, which is, after all, simply connecting someone who wants/needs something to what it is they want/need. I&#8217;m really sad. It was a grown up comment!</p>
<p>(This one seems to have got through &#8211; go figure! And thank you for enabling the comment editor. I appreciate it!)</p>
<p><abbr><em>janice’s last blog post..How to Write like Adam Lambert</em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Marc - WelshScribe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc - WelshScribe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kristy That law isn&#039;t just Australian. All lists have to provide an opt out link.

&lt;blockquote&gt;if you...had your email address published openly on your site and I happened to be selling articles that were relevant to your web site I am free to use that email address to send you bulk email as much as I like until such time as you unsubscribe.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This is tantamount to email address harvesting and Australia have a law prohibiting the creation or use of software intended to &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address_harvesting#Legality&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;harvest email addresses&lt;/a&gt;.

Sure you could do it manually but then there&#039;s the argument that all web browsers are software...

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Marc - WelshScribe’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://welshscribe.co.uk/2009/04/17/the-rhydian-roberts-guide-to-successful-freelancing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Rhydian Roberts Guide To Successful Freelancing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kristy That law isn&#8217;t just Australian. All lists have to provide an opt out link.</p>
<blockquote><p>if you&#8230;had your email address published openly on your site and I happened to be selling articles that were relevant to your web site I am free to use that email address to send you bulk email as much as I like until such time as you unsubscribe.</p></blockquote>
<p>This is tantamount to email address harvesting and Australia have a law prohibiting the creation or use of software intended to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address_harvesting#Legality" rel="nofollow">harvest email addresses</a>.</p>
<p>Sure you could do it manually but then there&#8217;s the argument that all web browsers are software&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em>Marc &#8211; WelshScribe’s last blog post..<a href="http://welshscribe.co.uk/2009/04/17/the-rhydian-roberts-guide-to-successful-freelancing/" rel="nofollow">The Rhydian Roberts Guide To Successful Freelancing</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://superwahm.com/permission-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um yes, yes I did miss the tongue in cheek bit!  One of the issues with the written word - it doesn&#039;t always convey the intended emotion!  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um yes, yes I did miss the tongue in cheek bit!  One of the issues with the written word &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t always convey the intended emotion!  <img src='http://superwahm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Kristy A. Bennett</title>
		<link>http://superwahm.com/permission-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy A. Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taking off the Devil&#039;s Advocate hat...

@Marc - In Australia, there is an legal obligation to provide an opt-out link which *must* remove them from the list.

From my experience of lawyers, the letter of the law comes down to knowing what your legal boundaries are so that you know when you are breaking them and when you are not.  Yes, some businesses are known for actively choosing to break the law - we see it in courts regularly.  (http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25312670-5014239,00.html)  That said, all it does is show the boundaries in which a business can legally operate.

From there, with the help of a professional marketer (either in-house, from an agency or as a consultant) you can sit down and devise a strategic plan to build a mailing list.  Clearly, highly successful mailing lists that have excellent open rates and link-through rates are those that are driven and fed by people who really do wish to receive those emails and are legitimately interested in the content.  A good strategic plan will evaluate all available options for building the list and select those in the best strategic interest of the business.  In most cases, this will always be a process of confirmed explicit consent and will look to paint the business is a positive light in respect to ethics which ties back to Melinda&#039;s comment about the spirit of the law.

@Melinda Sorry, perhaps you missed that my offer of spamming you with offers to sell you articles was tongue in cheek!! :}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking off the Devil&#8217;s Advocate hat&#8230;</p>
<p>@Marc &#8211; In Australia, there is an legal obligation to provide an opt-out link which *must* remove them from the list.</p>
<p>From my experience of lawyers, the letter of the law comes down to knowing what your legal boundaries are so that you know when you are breaking them and when you are not.  Yes, some businesses are known for actively choosing to break the law &#8211; we see it in courts regularly.  (<a href="http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25312670-5014239,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,25312670-5014239,00.html</a>)  That said, all it does is show the boundaries in which a business can legally operate.</p>
<p>From there, with the help of a professional marketer (either in-house, from an agency or as a consultant) you can sit down and devise a strategic plan to build a mailing list.  Clearly, highly successful mailing lists that have excellent open rates and link-through rates are those that are driven and fed by people who really do wish to receive those emails and are legitimately interested in the content.  A good strategic plan will evaluate all available options for building the list and select those in the best strategic interest of the business.  In most cases, this will always be a process of confirmed explicit consent and will look to paint the business is a positive light in respect to ethics which ties back to Melinda&#8217;s comment about the spirit of the law.</p>
<p>@Melinda Sorry, perhaps you missed that my offer of spamming you with offers to sell you articles was tongue in cheek!! :}</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://superwahm.com/permission-marketing/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Marc.  I didn&#039;t say they couldn&#039;t make contact, just that they couldn&#039;t assume that I wished to be added to an email list and continually marketed to.  Making contact is the whole point of giving out business cards!  Strange internet laws here - you should see the discussions on the internet censorship the govt wants to bring in!  Ai ai ai!!!!

@ Kristy.  If my email is published on my web site you do NOT have permission to add it to your mailing list unless I expressly request to be added.  I know that is in the Australian law, and when we get back from the zoo this afternoon I&#039;ll find it and add it here.  If you add me to an email list without my permission then you have broken the law.

From a personal point of view, if I haven&#039;t given you express permission to continue contacting me after the initial contact then I will consider your emails spam and will mark them as such.  Same as Marc, I will try and get  you blacklisted because from my perspective you are spamming.

From a business owner&#039;s point of view, if a marketing person suggested such tactics I would (a) refuse - because I don&#039;t think it&#039;s ethical and &#039;I&#039; don&#039;t want to be treated that way so I will not treat anyone else in that manner.  And (b) I&#039;d be looking at getting another marketing advisor who did not use dodgy tactics.

I think this discussion is on the difference between following the letter of the law or the spirit of the law and looking for loopholes.  For me, and hopefully for any other ethical business owner, they will treat their customers and potential customers the way they wish to be treated and will comply with the spirit of the law.

Regarding writing an article on this.  If you would like to submit a guest article to me via the Contact page I would be happy to look at it and consider it.  However I should point out that I do not pay for guest posts, having a bio and link to your site is generally considered payment for the exposure that guest posting brings.

Thanks for an interesting discussion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Marc.  I didn&#8217;t say they couldn&#8217;t make contact, just that they couldn&#8217;t assume that I wished to be added to an email list and continually marketed to.  Making contact is the whole point of giving out business cards!  Strange internet laws here &#8211; you should see the discussions on the internet censorship the govt wants to bring in!  Ai ai ai!!!!</p>
<p>@ Kristy.  If my email is published on my web site you do NOT have permission to add it to your mailing list unless I expressly request to be added.  I know that is in the Australian law, and when we get back from the zoo this afternoon I&#8217;ll find it and add it here.  If you add me to an email list without my permission then you have broken the law.</p>
<p>From a personal point of view, if I haven&#8217;t given you express permission to continue contacting me after the initial contact then I will consider your emails spam and will mark them as such.  Same as Marc, I will try and get  you blacklisted because from my perspective you are spamming.</p>
<p>From a business owner&#8217;s point of view, if a marketing person suggested such tactics I would (a) refuse &#8211; because I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s ethical and &#8216;I&#8217; don&#8217;t want to be treated that way so I will not treat anyone else in that manner.  And (b) I&#8217;d be looking at getting another marketing advisor who did not use dodgy tactics.</p>
<p>I think this discussion is on the difference between following the letter of the law or the spirit of the law and looking for loopholes.  For me, and hopefully for any other ethical business owner, they will treat their customers and potential customers the way they wish to be treated and will comply with the spirit of the law.</p>
<p>Regarding writing an article on this.  If you would like to submit a guest article to me via the Contact page I would be happy to look at it and consider it.  However I should point out that I do not pay for guest posts, having a bio and link to your site is generally considered payment for the exposure that guest posting brings.</p>
<p>Thanks for an interesting discussion!</p>
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