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		<title>By: Anni Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anni Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh hells bells, I think I might be biased too - in the opposite direction! Thinking about it honestly, I tend to trust women more. But I&#039;m probably in the minority.

@James I do see those stereotypes you propposed above quite a lot. Sometimes it seems that if a woman is doing anything other than &#039;nurturing&#039;, she&#039;s suspect.

@Melinda the kind of networking I was referring to is that very focused collaboration where a small group get together and push each other other&#039;s websites forward in ways with high gain - and also collaboration where they actually join forces in the one website/business.

Definitely women are heavily into networking and business forums (and being more social in general, do it better), but I don&#039;t see the level of collaboration that male bloggers exhibit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh hells bells, I think I might be biased too &#8211; in the opposite direction! Thinking about it honestly, I tend to trust women more. But I&#8217;m probably in the minority.</p>
<p>@James I do see those stereotypes you propposed above quite a lot. Sometimes it seems that if a woman is doing anything other than &#8216;nurturing&#8217;, she&#8217;s suspect.</p>
<p>@Melinda the kind of networking I was referring to is that very focused collaboration where a small group get together and push each other other&#8217;s websites forward in ways with high gain &#8211; and also collaboration where they actually join forces in the one website/business.</p>
<p>Definitely women are heavily into networking and business forums (and being more social in general, do it better), but I don&#8217;t see the level of collaboration that male bloggers exhibit.</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@ Barbara&lt;/strong&gt; - I don&#039;t know who you mean by Liz and Lorelle - and that suggests that they&#039;re not A-Listers.  A-Listers should be pretty much known by all bloggers, by name even if the person isn&#039;t following them.  Mention Brian Clark or Darren Rowse, and pretty much everyone has heard of them.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Patsi&lt;/strong&gt;, I think it is a man&#039;s world, whether we like it or not.  I&#039;ll give you Pam Slim, she&#039;s probably the closest female I can think of who comes close to being an A-Lister.

&lt;strong&gt;@ James&lt;/strong&gt;, yes, I&#039;ve had discussions like that with some female writers.  And the arguing.....  oh yeah....

&lt;strong&gt;@ Rosebelle&lt;/strong&gt;, I think gender is always in the background even if we&#039;re not aware of it.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Friar&lt;/strong&gt;, you may be right, however in this case all the figures came from bloggers.  Everyone in the report is a blogger with their blog claimed on Technorati.  What you say may be true in the wider community (world) however for these figures every single person is a blogger, so the gender bias is very clear.  Unless you want to discuss that maybe guys fill in more surveys than women?  ;-)

&lt;strong&gt;@ Alex&lt;/strong&gt;, definately!  I look around at the public service here and there are more women than men.  Top levels - ovewhelmingly male.

&lt;strong&gt;@ James&lt;/strong&gt;, you&#039;d get that too, yes?  Single dad with two kids = you must be a hero.  Single mum with two kids = normal life.

&lt;strong&gt;@ Anni&lt;/strong&gt;, nah, I think we women have it over the guys when it comes to networking!  Look at how many women get together for coffee, form forums and discussion groups etc.  Although ours tends to not be as business focussed as the guys.  Maybe we need an &#039;old girls&#039; network too!

&lt;blockquote&gt;How do others view online content when it is written by a woman as opposed to a male?!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 Well, I recently read something that I thought was written by a guy and then I found out it was written by a woman.  I&#039;m embarrased to say that I found I was questioning what I&#039;d read, whereas before I had simply accepted it as correct.  Nothing had changed except that I had a tiny bit more information about the author.

That was a huge surprise, as I would have said that I didn&#039;t care if it was written by a guy or a woman.  It&#039;s something that I&#039;m now a lot more aware of - the information doesn&#039;t change because of who writes it.

&lt;strong&gt;@ James (again)&lt;/strong&gt;, yes, definately!  And then there&#039;s you Quebecois people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@ Barbara</strong> &#8211; I don&#8217;t know who you mean by Liz and Lorelle &#8211; and that suggests that they&#8217;re not A-Listers.  A-Listers should be pretty much known by all bloggers, by name even if the person isn&#8217;t following them.  Mention Brian Clark or Darren Rowse, and pretty much everyone has heard of them.</p>
<p><strong>@ Patsi</strong>, I think it is a man&#8217;s world, whether we like it or not.  I&#8217;ll give you Pam Slim, she&#8217;s probably the closest female I can think of who comes close to being an A-Lister.</p>
<p><strong>@ James</strong>, yes, I&#8217;ve had discussions like that with some female writers.  And the arguing&#8230;..  oh yeah&#8230;.</p>
<p><strong>@ Rosebelle</strong>, I think gender is always in the background even if we&#8217;re not aware of it.</p>
<p><strong>@ Friar</strong>, you may be right, however in this case all the figures came from bloggers.  Everyone in the report is a blogger with their blog claimed on Technorati.  What you say may be true in the wider community (world) however for these figures every single person is a blogger, so the gender bias is very clear.  Unless you want to discuss that maybe guys fill in more surveys than women?  <img src='http://superwahm.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><strong>@ Alex</strong>, definately!  I look around at the public service here and there are more women than men.  Top levels &#8211; ovewhelmingly male.</p>
<p><strong>@ James</strong>, you&#8217;d get that too, yes?  Single dad with two kids = you must be a hero.  Single mum with two kids = normal life.</p>
<p><strong>@ Anni</strong>, nah, I think we women have it over the guys when it comes to networking!  Look at how many women get together for coffee, form forums and discussion groups etc.  Although ours tends to not be as business focussed as the guys.  Maybe we need an &#8216;old girls&#8217; network too!</p>
<blockquote><p>How do others view online content when it is written by a woman as opposed to a male?!</p></blockquote>
<p> Well, I recently read something that I thought was written by a guy and then I found out it was written by a woman.  I&#8217;m embarrased to say that I found I was questioning what I&#8217;d read, whereas before I had simply accepted it as correct.  Nothing had changed except that I had a tiny bit more information about the author.</p>
<p>That was a huge surprise, as I would have said that I didn&#8217;t care if it was written by a guy or a woman.  It&#8217;s something that I&#8217;m now a lot more aware of &#8211; the information doesn&#8217;t change because of who writes it.</p>
<p><strong>@ James (again)</strong>, yes, definately!  And then there&#8217;s you Quebecois people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - Men with Pens</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thought inspired by Anni&#039;s comment is gender perception, such as:

A man who is authoritative is a leader. A woman is pushy.
A man who puts his foot down is firm and strong. A woman is being uncompromising.
A man who forges ahead is admirable. A woman is uncaring of others.
A man who uses other people to get ahead is savvy. A woman is a bitch.

Not saying I believe those, just saying that&#039;s an example of what people see based on gender. And, these things can affect success.
.-= James Chartrand - Men with Pens´s last post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/Funl39NbhpE/writing-dragons&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Dragons of Writing and How to Fight Them&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thought inspired by Anni&#8217;s comment is gender perception, such as:</p>
<p>A man who is authoritative is a leader. A woman is pushy.<br />
A man who puts his foot down is firm and strong. A woman is being uncompromising.<br />
A man who forges ahead is admirable. A woman is uncaring of others.<br />
A man who uses other people to get ahead is savvy. A woman is a bitch.</p>
<p>Not saying I believe those, just saying that&#8217;s an example of what people see based on gender. And, these things can affect success.<br />
.-= James Chartrand &#8211; Men with Pens´s last post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/Funl39NbhpE/writing-dragons" rel="nofollow">The Dragons of Writing and How to Fight Them</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Anni Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anni Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I think men do well is business networking. It&#039;s been a long tradition - look at the &#039;boys clubs&#039; that follow on in the business world from private boys schools.

Many of the successful blogger guys understand that in order to establish themselves as experts, they need networking, an understanding of online tech, and leverage (as well as good content.)

Doing well as a blogger can also involve interest in technology (running a website, seo, online tools, plugins etc) and women have been slower to take this up.
When I was studying IT 10 years ago, I was of only about five women as against around forty guys. When I studied social work before that, the percentages were reversed.

I don&#039;t mind whether what I&#039;m reading online is written by a man or a woman. But it&#039;s a very interesting question - How do others view online content when it is written by a woman as opposed to a male?!
.-= Anni Taylor´s last post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/HerWebLife/~3/vl5Y7vrgMjI/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;12 foot trampoline in a small yard&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think men do well is business networking. It&#8217;s been a long tradition &#8211; look at the &#8216;boys clubs&#8217; that follow on in the business world from private boys schools.</p>
<p>Many of the successful blogger guys understand that in order to establish themselves as experts, they need networking, an understanding of online tech, and leverage (as well as good content.)</p>
<p>Doing well as a blogger can also involve interest in technology (running a website, seo, online tools, plugins etc) and women have been slower to take this up.<br />
When I was studying IT 10 years ago, I was of only about five women as against around forty guys. When I studied social work before that, the percentages were reversed.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind whether what I&#8217;m reading online is written by a man or a woman. But it&#8217;s a very interesting question &#8211; How do others view online content when it is written by a woman as opposed to a male?!<br />
.-= Anni Taylor´s last post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/HerWebLife/~3/vl5Y7vrgMjI/" rel="nofollow">12 foot trampoline in a small yard</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - Men with Pens</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand - Men with Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alex - I&#039;m reading &quot;Why She Buys&quot; and one of the points the author brought up was that the wife of a CEO in an office had cancer and was going to die. They had two kids.

The men would talk in the hallway. &quot;What&#039;s he going to do after he&#039;s gone? Two kids, man! Who&#039;ll take care of them?&quot; It was a courageous act of honor that it seemed this CEO would carry on caring for the children alone.

And the women in the office couldn&#039;t help but think...

They do this every day.
.-= James Chartrand - Men with Pens´s last post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/EfE868q-Duc/special-announcements&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;We Like Special Announcements. Here are Three.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alex &#8211; I&#8217;m reading &#8220;Why She Buys&#8221; and one of the points the author brought up was that the wife of a CEO in an office had cancer and was going to die. They had two kids.</p>
<p>The men would talk in the hallway. &#8220;What&#8217;s he going to do after he&#8217;s gone? Two kids, man! Who&#8217;ll take care of them?&#8221; It was a courageous act of honor that it seemed this CEO would carry on caring for the children alone.</p>
<p>And the women in the office couldn&#8217;t help but think&#8230;</p>
<p>They do this every day.<br />
.-= James Chartrand &#8211; Men with Pens´s last post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/EfE868q-Duc/special-announcements" rel="nofollow">We Like Special Announcements. Here are Three.</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 20:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was doing my Masters in Information Studies my management professor told us that the Library industry was 90% women but 90% of the top spots were filled by men. For some stupid reason the world still seems to think that authority and the ability to lead is something only men can do.

@Friar
There&#039;s no one complaining about this (or about the gender bias in favor of women in roles like nurses) because the world is hugely sexiest - a man taking a traditionally &quot;female&quot; role is seen as degrading himself (how many male nurse jokes are there?) but a woman taking a traditionally &quot;male&quot; role is asserting her power.
.-= Alex Fayle &#124; Someday Syndrome´s last post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://somedaysyndrome.com/2009/09/email-based-coaching/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No, I Won’t Talk to You: Why Someday Syndrome Offers Email-Based Coaching&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was doing my Masters in Information Studies my management professor told us that the Library industry was 90% women but 90% of the top spots were filled by men. For some stupid reason the world still seems to think that authority and the ability to lead is something only men can do.</p>
<p>@Friar<br />
There&#8217;s no one complaining about this (or about the gender bias in favor of women in roles like nurses) because the world is hugely sexiest &#8211; a man taking a traditionally &#8220;female&#8221; role is seen as degrading himself (how many male nurse jokes are there?) but a woman taking a traditionally &#8220;male&#8221; role is asserting her power.<br />
.-= Alex Fayle | Someday Syndrome´s last post&#8230;<a href="http://somedaysyndrome.com/2009/09/email-based-coaching/" rel="nofollow">No, I Won’t Talk to You: Why Someday Syndrome Offers Email-Based Coaching</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Friar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe women, in general, tend to want to blog LESS than men.

Not that this is necessarily right or wrong.  That&#039;s just the way it IS.

And how is it when there&#039;s a gender bias in favor of females (i.e. elementary school teachers) nobody ever complains?
.-= Friar´s last post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/a-single-persons-open-letter-of-apology-to-parents/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Single Person’s Open Letter of Apology to Parents&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe women, in general, tend to want to blog LESS than men.</p>
<p>Not that this is necessarily right or wrong.  That&#8217;s just the way it IS.</p>
<p>And how is it when there&#8217;s a gender bias in favor of females (i.e. elementary school teachers) nobody ever complains?<br />
.-= Friar´s last post&#8230;<a href="http://deepfriar.wordpress.com/2009/09/12/a-single-persons-open-letter-of-apology-to-parents/" rel="nofollow">A Single Person’s Open Letter of Apology to Parents</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: RoseBelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>RoseBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gender never came across my mind when I&#039;m reading someone else&#039;s opinion on their blogs or websites. It&#039;s a matter of what was written and how it was written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gender never came across my mind when I&#8217;m reading someone else&#8217;s opinion on their blogs or websites. It&#8217;s a matter of what was written and how it was written.</p>
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		<title>By: James Chartrand - Men with Pens</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chartrand - Men with Pens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was an interesting report.

I know that in the writing world, women are paid less. They&#039;re argued with more. Their rates are up for question. Their advice is often poo-poohed. They&#039;re often condescended to if they take time off - must be the kids - or miss a deadline - kids again. There&#039;s little respect, it&#039;s hard to grow a business and you have to want it badly.

Many, MANY female writers complain of this.

And yet, my rates are never questioned. Very often, people think I charge more than I do. My advice and recommendations are taken seriously. If I take a day off, I&#039;m told, &quot;Good for you! You must work hard!&quot; (I do - women do too, and women with kids more so.) If I say I have to miss a deadline, my clients asked sympathetically, &quot;Wow. I hope it&#039;s not that basement flooding again.&quot; (No, it was a cold.)  I&#039;ve never lacked for respect (save an ass client or two), I&#039;ve grown my business easily (just determination? Or something else at play?) and...

Yeah. I want it bad.

Just as bad as the women I know.

It&#039;s fine to sit there and say, &quot;There are plenty of successful women.&quot; There are. Are they outnumbered? Oooh yeah. Do they work harder to be successful?  Oooh yeah. Can everyone just sit back and say, &quot;I pretend it&#039;s not there,&quot; or &quot;We just carry on and it&#039;s fine?&quot;

No. Sorry, no. A head in the sand just gets you blocked ears and a mouthful of grit.
.-= James Chartrand - Men with Pens´s last post...&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/PiRw7d7U2yw/analogies-and-metaphors&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How to Add Spice to Your Content&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was an interesting report.</p>
<p>I know that in the writing world, women are paid less. They&#8217;re argued with more. Their rates are up for question. Their advice is often poo-poohed. They&#8217;re often condescended to if they take time off &#8211; must be the kids &#8211; or miss a deadline &#8211; kids again. There&#8217;s little respect, it&#8217;s hard to grow a business and you have to want it badly.</p>
<p>Many, MANY female writers complain of this.</p>
<p>And yet, my rates are never questioned. Very often, people think I charge more than I do. My advice and recommendations are taken seriously. If I take a day off, I&#8217;m told, &#8220;Good for you! You must work hard!&#8221; (I do &#8211; women do too, and women with kids more so.) If I say I have to miss a deadline, my clients asked sympathetically, &#8220;Wow. I hope it&#8217;s not that basement flooding again.&#8221; (No, it was a cold.)  I&#8217;ve never lacked for respect (save an ass client or two), I&#8217;ve grown my business easily (just determination? Or something else at play?) and&#8230;</p>
<p>Yeah. I want it bad.</p>
<p>Just as bad as the women I know.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s fine to sit there and say, &#8220;There are plenty of successful women.&#8221; There are. Are they outnumbered? Oooh yeah. Do they work harder to be successful?  Oooh yeah. Can everyone just sit back and say, &#8220;I pretend it&#8217;s not there,&#8221; or &#8220;We just carry on and it&#8217;s fine?&#8221;</p>
<p>No. Sorry, no. A head in the sand just gets you blocked ears and a mouthful of grit.<br />
.-= James Chartrand &#8211; Men with Pens´s last post&#8230;<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MenWithPens/~3/PiRw7d7U2yw/analogies-and-metaphors" rel="nofollow">How to Add Spice to Your Content</a> =-.</p>
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		<title>By: Patsi Krakoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patsi Krakoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many powerful, creative and successful women on the &#039;Net. For a-list bloggers, take a look at the women on Guy Kawasaki&#039;s Alltop.com &quot;Ego&quot; blogs list: Pam Slim, Charlene Li, and Valeria Maltoni, among others. In fact, take a look at any of the topics on this blog aggregating site, Alltop, and you&#039;ll find successful women bloggers. It&#039;s more important to look at what the good ones are doing, (male or female), than to look at numbers. Quality counts, no doubt about it. What we write on the web counts, has authority, and gets read in large numbers. Do more women need to speak up and be counted? Sure, no doubt. It&#039;s not a man&#039;s world unless we believe that.
.-= Patsi Krakoff´s last post...Linkbait Content: Here&#039;s how it works for any niche =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many powerful, creative and successful women on the &#8216;Net. For a-list bloggers, take a look at the women on Guy Kawasaki&#8217;s Alltop.com &#8220;Ego&#8221; blogs list: Pam Slim, Charlene Li, and Valeria Maltoni, among others. In fact, take a look at any of the topics on this blog aggregating site, Alltop, and you&#8217;ll find successful women bloggers. It&#8217;s more important to look at what the good ones are doing, (male or female), than to look at numbers. Quality counts, no doubt about it. What we write on the web counts, has authority, and gets read in large numbers. Do more women need to speak up and be counted? Sure, no doubt. It&#8217;s not a man&#8217;s world unless we believe that.<br />
.-= Patsi Krakoff´s last post&#8230;Linkbait Content: Here&#8217;s how it works for any niche =-.</p>
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